windcontroller example?
Hi,
i am considering buying the trumpet library. i will be using it with my wx /ewi.
i would like to hear an example of the trumpet played in realtime with a windcontroller without any editing.
best without any other instruments, so i can get a good feel of what the trumpet is capable of in realtime playing.
would anyone be so kind to put up such a demo.
thanks a lot.
Bart
i am considering buying the trumpet library. i will be using it with my wx /ewi.
i would like to hear an example of the trumpet played in realtime with a windcontroller without any editing.
best without any other instruments, so i can get a good feel of what the trumpet is capable of in realtime playing.
would anyone be so kind to put up such a demo.
thanks a lot.
Bart
Comments
Dan
i am looking forward to it.
All done with EWI-USB with default Wind Controller setting and no changes to any other params in the Trumpet software.
It's mostly the main Trumpet with and without mute as well as Trumpet no 2 or 3 (I did not keep track of it).
Sample A:
http://www.supload.com/listen?s=D2Dfbu
Sample B:
http://www.supload.com/listen?s=N55ZMP
More response and plays better than any synth I have ever used.
Dan
You can listen to my performances prior to samplemodeling here:
http://www.kara-moon.com/index.php?modid=mod03&l_submenu_id=m001_03_06&artist=2010Jazz
those are great demos . thank you so much.
really great sound... and playing.
feels real natural, the sound is somewhat 'classical'
do all trumpets(flugal) have the same feel when playing?
once again thank you very much for putting this up on the forum. really appreciated.
Bart
I've only had the Trumpet for about 5 days and only played with it about 4 times, after I got it working, it's hard to put down. What I'm saying is that I'm probably not the best person to answer some of your questions.
Since the sound of the Flugel is different from the Main Trumpet, it "feels" different. I guess that's because for a particular attack and loudness you get a different output. I would expect that over time you learn to "handle" each instrument in a different way -that's my experience with other synths. So, the answer is yes but it varies with the instruments.
As I've said before, it is far more enjoyable playing the samplemodeling trumpet, than anything I've ever played using the EWI. I have not tried it with WX7 or WX5 (which in my opinion has the most horrible octave key design I have ever used). As for the EWI400s, I have to adjust the sensitivity because it plays the Trumpet even when I am not blowing (none of my other synths do that), so I have not used it except one time.
I'm in the middle of a very busy work period (a blessed event actually) so I have not had as much time to spend with it as I would like. In fact I have not figured out how to get good sounds from the Sax Brothers.
Dan
is the vibrato in the first clip done on the ewi or is it in the samples?
is the vibrato in the first clip done on the ewi or is it in the samples?
In the samples. With default settings the Main Trumpet has more vibrato than some of the other trumpets, however you can change that with the appropriate settings (Vibrato Depth and/or Vibrato Rate I think).
I have yet to succeed in getting any vibrato by squeezing the mouthpiece.
Dan
I also found that the EWI-USB, 4000s, and 3020, all produce surprisingly different instrumental sounds when using the same Trumpet or Sax setting. In retrospect it should not be a surprise since there are difference in the CC mappings of the wind controllers. The EWI-4000s, in my hands at least, does a better job with the Sax (after much tweaking of software params (as well as the 4000s), than the EWI-USB, but the EWI-USB produces better Trumpet sounds. I have yet to try the WX7 or WX5 which I normally do not use much at all, but I plan to with the samplemodeling instruments.
An unrelated piece of information is that with my custom built 3 yr old first generation AMD64 Athlon x2 CPU with 4Gb RAM running WinXP, the playing a solo samplemodeling live (in Kontakt3) , uses less than 8-10% CPU resources. This is quite a bit less than I had expected and very welcome news.
Dan
In the samples.
This answer could be somehow misleading. Our instruments do not use pre-recorded "fixed" vibrato samples, they rather create vibrato by modulating the samples in real time.
That means: vibrato intensity and frequency are entirely in musicians hands. Or lips/teeth :-) , since you can generate vibrato quite easy by either sending appropriate controllers, or - after some parameter adjustments - vibrating the tone yourself using the mouthpiece. Although this technique requires some skills of a "real" wind player, it enables a full, spontaneous control of the instrument.
Peter
In the samples.
This answer could be somehow misleading. Our instruments do not use pre-recorded "fixed" vibrato samples, they rather create vibrato by modulating the samples in real time.
That means: vibrato intensity and frequency are entirely in musicians hands. Or lips/teeth :-) , since you can generate vibrato quite easy by either sending appropriate controllers, or - after some parameter adjustments - vibrating the tone yourself using the mouthpiece. Although this technique requires some skills of a "real" wind player, it enables a full, spontaneous control of the instrument.
Peter
Thank you for correcting my incorrect answer so politely.
I was basing my answer on my experience with Kontakt2 (since that time I have also used Kontakt3) and what I found was that the Main Trumpet with the default settings (Windcontroller) has a lot of vibrato all the time, whereas the other trumpets (T3, T2, German, Pic, Flugel) have very little and I could not at the timeproduce vibrato by squeezing the mouthpiece of the EWI-USB. So, I was led, incorrectly to the conclusion that the amount of vibrato was tied to the instrument.
Surprisingly with Kontakt3.5, the Main Trumpet does not differ as much from the other trumpets with respect to the vibrato with default wind controller settings using the EWI-USB, but in fact I have finally figured out that I can change the Vibrato senstitivity using the Controllers 1 menu, so I realized that the Vibrato Sensitivity was much higher for the Main Trumpet using the default wind controller settings.
After having read the excellent user manual for the Trumpet including detailed notes on all of the CC settings, I now understand how Vibrato intensity and frequency are very easily modified for all of the Trumpets.
I have had more success with the Sax Bros after some initial problems, but I cannot get the type of sound (breathy Tenor, or a smooth non-raspy sound like Paul Desmond's Alto, or classical Saxophone). So either I don't understand how to set the parameters for this type of sound, or that an entire new set of sound samples need to be made to achieve these types of saxophone instrument voices.
I would appreciate if you would let me know about this last saxophone question.
Thanks very much,
Dan
please note that CC1 controls the vibrato intensity, not sensitivity. This means:
- a wind controller player can use the default vibrato (generated by the instrument), controlled by CC1 (vibrato intensity) and CC19 (vibrato rate), or
- he can play his own vibrato using, for example, the "bite" technique.
In the latter case, additional control can be obtained by properly adjusting the Pitch Sensitivity knob on the Wind Controller menu of The Trumpet. Please try higher settings to make the pitch more responsive to the "biting" of the mouthpiece. Also try higher CC24 settings (in the Trumpet) or CC8 (DynPitch) in the Saxophone, yielding larger pitch deviations on transient changes of the dynamics. These settings need to be individually adjusted to one's windcontroller and playing technique. By trial and error, you will discover that you can remarkably improve your performance, making it more lively, and avoiding static, "dead" notes.
As far as The Sax Brothers are concerned, please note that our instruments are based on samples performed by one player. Nevertheless, they are still capable of producing a wide variety of sounds and styles, as demonstrated by the numerous demos and midi examples available on our website.
Best regards
Peter, Giorgio & Stefano
Pat
You could listen to the trumpet in real time play, with manual vibrato (i do it with the movements of the diaphragm as when i sing ...).
tunes are at :
http://www.zedjazz.biz
regards,
You could listen to the trumpet in real time play, with manual vibrato (i do it with the movements of the diaphragm as when i sing ...).
tunes are at :
http://www.zedjazz.biz
regards,
C'est tres bien. Excellente!
Merci beaucoup,
Dan