cc settings on wx5?
how do you guys set up your wx5 for the trumpet or sax?
the wx5 can output cc80 and cc81..
as i understand the trumpet uses other cc's aswell as the sax.
does this mean you cant use the full sound spectrum of the libraries in realtime?
thanks
the wx5 can output cc80 and cc81..
as i understand the trumpet uses other cc's aswell as the sax.
does this mean you cant use the full sound spectrum of the libraries in realtime?
thanks
Comments
No, you've just to remap your WX cc into comprehensive cc for the trumpet or the sax.
This can be easy to do if you use the right vst host : try "console" vers 1.6.1, you can load and autoload at startup your configuration with vst instruments, vst effects, midi mapping and midi filter/converter.
Yvan
i thought the libraries were optimised for windcontrollers.
guess not.
i am on a mac ,so i have to look for a prog for osx.
thanks for your help.
i thought the libraries were optimised for windcontrollers.
guess not.
i am on a mac ,so i have to look for a prog for osx.
thanks for your help.
I'm not sure what your trying to do :oops:, but all I know is (I use WX5/WX7/EWI-USB/4000s) I just plug into my laptop and open the included Kontakt player 2 and set either Mr T or one of the Trumpet patches to "windcontroller" and other than my personal settings I just play.
So in my opinion, they are (more than
Regards Pete.
as i understand it you can control vibrato, growl etc by using cc.
How do you control those extra possiblities?
I've been misunderstanding your first post : in fact, the trumpet and the sax react for the expression or breath to first following controller : cc2, cc7, cc11.
The first of this tree controler received is used for the expression.
You said that your WX5 transmit CC80, CC81 ...
Of course CC80 or CC81 will not be understanded by sax and trumpet and it's why i speak about remap.
perhaps you can change the WX settings to transmit cc2, cc7 ou cc11 as expression.
with the ewi, it's possible to choice between this cc.
with the ewi, you have two buttons on the upper side that you can affect to any controller and two plates on the under side witch are normaly for the pitch but you can assign to any controller : growl, subharmonic.
on my ewi , i use a button of the upper side for switch between trumpet and sax just by a volume cross-over and the other for the trumpet mute.
on the under side i use a plate for the growl.
the vibrato is very easy to realise with your diaphragm with a little practice.
yvan
as i understand it you can control vibrato, growl etc by using cc.
How do you control those extra possiblities?
I just use breath for everything, infact I don't even use the bend function, I prefer to use quick semi-tone up-down pre-note changes and like Yvan I use Diaphram for vibrato (tremelo).
I set the kontakt player, effects, transpose, growl, etc, prior to playing and just play. I find for me, I can get all the expression I want from samplemodeling using just my breath.
I'm not saying my way is the best, but I am happy
Regards Pete.
Have you heard my last version at :
http://www.zedjazz.biz ???
i ve got the ewi usb.. indeed you can assign every cc you want to the pitch-bend plates.. that is nice.
however on the WX5 you cant.. one of the higher notes can be set to send out cc 80 /81 ..
its too bad you cant change the cc number in the trumpet or sax itself
You need to set it up in your controller.
The way you guys play the trumpet sounds great already, but you will still be missing all the nuances that the library can deliver in realtime playing.
i dont like the growl to be on a constant level all the time.
i love the subharmonic sound but only on the higher notes for sax..
i was just wondering how you guys worked this out.
if only you could changes the CC in the kontakt player the wx5 would be a perfect match.
i could use my ewi usb but i prefer my wx5. Breathcontrol is better on the wx5.
Have you heard my last version at :
http://www.zedjazz.biz ???
Yes I did listen and it was very nice. I'm sorry I haven't been leaving comments :oops: , but I do intend to listen to all the mp3's etc
I would hate to comment on just some and make others feel I didn't rate theirs
At the moment I listen to all and comment on the Patchman forums, so it does already eat at practice time. But I do enjoy listening and am always amazed at the quality and talent from windcontrollers. and now from other synth players on this site
Regards Pete.
i was just wondering how you guys worked this out.
if only you could changes the CC in the kontakt player the wx5 would be a perfect match.
Hi, you have to use a laptop to use Mr T, and as Yvan has suggested, and I'm sure there are many freeware applications to re-route incoming midi signals, ie cc 80-81 to anything you want.
The expensive option is a midisolutions midi-router, etc.
http://www.midisolutions.com/
Regards Pete.
To take advantage of more of these cc's in realtime you'll need to have the hardware to do so. If you want to growl, use subharmonics or anything else, you've got to be able to transmit those intentions from the external source to the software. How else will the software know you want to do those things? In my case, I use a wind controller (a customized steiner) that can send three continuous controllers (not counting pitchbend) and those can mapped to different cc's in Mr. Sax T. The controllers on my wc are breath, bite and push and one setup I use maps them to Mr. Sax T's dynamics, subharmonics and portamento, respectively. I then have an expression pedal if I want to turn on some growl. For flutter, I actually just do real flutter-tonguing (it sounds different than the built in flutter, but it's more to my liking). This setup affords me tons of expressiveness -- all in real time. However, even when playing just with my breath, the playing experience is a still a cut above.
I am in agreement that the interface should allow more flexible remapping for all the cc's. Hopefully a future update will contain this capability. Also keep in mind that you are not limited to Kontakt, the vst or your wind controller for remapping. Surely there are free remappers around the net. I don't personally have experience with these (I've rolled my own) but they may come in the form of standalone software or plugins specific to a particular host software. Whichever way you go, the potential usage of these extra cc's still boils down to whether or not your hardware lets you send a lot of cc's.
We believe that both The Trumpet and Mr. Sax T. are optimised for wind controllers - and we are happy that the vast majority of our customers agree. :-)
As to CC remapping:
1) all versions of Akai EWI provide assignable continuous controllers, hence CC remapping is virtually never necessary.
2) according to Bartp, this does not apply to Yamaha WX5 and WX7. However, adding a remapping feature to CC80/81 wouldn't help. Let's clarify this issue for those readers who do not know about:
The WX5 enables the user to define the two highest keys - D and D# - as MIDI switches (switches, not continuous controllers!) In this mode, pressing the D or D# only sends an "on" or "off" information via CC80/81. Independently of remapping, MIDI switches simply cannot be used to control portamento time, growl or subharmonic intensity, all requiring continuous controllers. To WX5 or WX7 users, looking for real-time control of advanced features of our instruments, we may only recommend using additional continuous MIDI controllers, like one (or even two) expression pedals.
3) Users of keyboards without assignable midi controllers may in some case need CC remapping.
The Trumpet provides internal CC remapping of the most essential parameters (Dynamics, Vibrato intensity, Vibrato rate, Dynamic pitch and Portamento time). In case one needs remapping of other parameters, the Automation feature of Kontakt can be used (please refer to the Player or Sampler Manual for further details) :
- go to the Auto page of the Kontakt browser
- choose "MIDI automation" (not "Host Automation")
- locate the controller of your choice
- drag and drop it to the knob/controller on the instrument GUI
From now on, this knob will be controlled by the CC of your choice!
Mr. Sax does not provide this facility, since it does not use any MIDI knobs to which the CC assignment can be applied. Free remapping utilities can be used to this purpose. Please refer to the sticky: "On controller remapping and related issues" for further information.
In summary, the CC80/81 - based switching in the WX5 would be probably useful only for program/instrument change or similar tasks. Remapping of these MIDI switches wouldn't be of any help to control our instruments.
Cheers
Peter & Giorgio
In fact, you've just to listen at the pieces that many of us have done with there windcontrollers and the sample modeling sound to realise how much they are more than optimized for.
In my case, with the ewi it's fantastic.
Yvan
audio demo the trumpet : http://www.zedjazz.biz
As to CC remapping:
2) according to Bartp, this does not apply to Yamaha WX5 and WX7. However, adding a remapping feature to CC80/81 wouldn't help. Let's clarify this issue for those readers who do not know about:
Hi, I think you will find that you can use the "Pitch bend wheel" on the WX5 to control growl etc. It can be set to control many parameters.
As I don't often use the WX5, someone else may be kind enough to expand and clarify this point.
Regards Pete.
i wasn't aware of the limitation of the CC80/81 on the wx5. thanks for clarifying that.
ive heard great demos played on windcontrollers for sure. i ve listened to them all, keep m comming.
i was just wondering how to get the most out of my wx.
ive got the ewi-usb aswell, its just that i prefer my wx breath-control wise.