WW Trills over Vienna Ensemble Pro

paulcristopaulcristo
edited December 2016 in General Questions
Hello, all.



I use the SWAM woodwinds on an external slave machine triggered via Vienna Ensemble Pro 5. My main DAW is Logic X.



When performing trills live everything sounds perfect. However, when I record the trill and play the MIDI notes back it doesn't perform it correctly. It just plays the top notes of the trill as staccato and ignores the sustained bottom note [see image attachment]. This didn't happen when I was using VEPro locally.



I've scoured my MIDI settings in Logic and can't find anything that would effect the playback of MIDI in this way. I don't believe it's Vienna Ensemble Pro because I'm able to perform it live with a MIDI keyboard and it works fine, although I'm happy to be wrong about that.



Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.



Paul

Comments

  • MSchnellMSchnell
    edited 1:15AM
    Seemingly the connection (supposedly Network) between the master and the "external slave" eats up some information.



    Perhaps you could insert a midi monitor plugin in the midi data stream in both machines and take a look at the recorded midi log.



    -Michael
  • paulcristopaulcristo
    edited 1:15AM
    MSchnell wrote: Seemingly the connection (supposedly Network) between the master and the "external slave" eats up some information.



    Perhaps you could insert a midi monitor plugin in the midi data stream in both machines and take a look at the recorded midi log.



    -Michael

    Hi, Michael.



    Thanks for your reply. I took your advice and hooked up a MIDI monitor and compared the results of playing live versus MIDI playback and there is no discernible difference in the information.



    Upon further investigation, I learned that Logic X plays the first 4 notes of the trill correctly and then releases the bottom note resulting in only the top notes being triggered.



    I also tried the playing back the same trill on a non-SWAM instrument that's also being housed on my slave machine, and it maintains playback the lower note. This suggests it's not Logic but the SWAM plugin itself, but as far as I know, VEPRO doesn't really know the difference between live play and playback.



    I'm at a loss. Any thoughts?



    Thanks,

    Paul
  • ModernBardModernBard
    edited 1:15AM
    The only similar thing I could think of that has happened to me several times is when I accidentally inserted notes in the DAW sequencer by clicking the piano roll while in edit mode when I was only intending to select a note. The result was a second note hiding. To see them, I had to drag the notes away in the piano roll to see if any secondary note was behind. The effect in those cases was that the "hidden" notes were sending key-off events effectively cutting short the long note that you see visible. Unclear if that might be happening here.
  • paulcristopaulcristo
    edited 1:15AM
    ModernBard wrote: The only similar thing I could think of that has happened to me several times is when I accidentally inserted notes in the DAW sequencer by clicking the piano roll while in edit mode when I was only intending to select a note. The result was a second note hiding. To see them, I had to drag the notes away in the piano roll to see if any secondary note was behind. The effect in those cases was that the "hidden" notes were sending key-off events effectively cutting short the long note that you see visible. Unclear if that might be happening here.

    Thanks for your reply.



    Yes, I double-checked and there aren't any hidden notes. Just the bottom sustained and the top.
  • ModernBardModernBard
    edited 1:15AM
    Okay, that's strange then. I verified with my Flutes that I get the behavior you described if I ever have hidden notes in the top line as well (double off-event), but sounds like you're not getting that.



    You ruled it out while I was doing my test (local, no VEPro), but for posterity, I'll add my picture in case it's helpful to someone searching later. In this case I have E4 as held note and G4 as trilled note. It plays 8 of them correct, then encounters overlapped notes in the sequence and the trill stops.



    -John



    EDIT: My case is all local PC only. No VEPro involved. Simply confirming that for me the Flutes will manifest this behavior if I doubled note occurs in the sequence.
  • MSchnellMSchnell
    edited 1:15AM
    paulcristo wrote: I took your advice and hooked up a MIDI monitor and compared the results of playing live versus MIDI playback and there is no discernible difference in the information.
    Does the monitor show a log of as well any note-on as any note-off event ? do both fit your expectation ?



    -Michael
  • paulcristopaulcristo
    edited 1:15AM
    MSchnell wrote:
    Does the monitor show a log of as well any note-on as any note-off event ? do both fit your expectation ?



    -Michael

    I attached two pictures. The first is of the MIDI playback and the second is me playing the same notes live. I don't see any anomalous information.

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