Where are Gofriller and Stradivari

edited July 2008 in General Questions
At this time, Gofriller and Stradivari are not available anymore on the Garritan website. Does it mean you are gonna make it there or not ?



I am very interested in buying at least one of these instruments in a little weeks, but I'm afraid about the support.



Best regards.



Manstud.

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  • edited 11:32AM
    I really really really hope Gary and Giorgio worked something out so that Giorgio can keep supporting these instruments. There's some minor tweaks I've wanted in the Strad that would bring it up to the level of the Gofriller.



    I'll keep on hoping...
  • edited 11:32AM
    The Stradivari premature death was unexpected and still surprises me a lot. Mr. Garritan decision was a commercial suicide (given the ongoing request), damaged his image and disappointed many customers.



    Yes, the technology behind the Stradivari and the Gofriller entirely belongs to myself and Stefano Lucato. We might consider creating a new samplemodeled solo strings series, perhaps extended to middle east and far east instruments, using anechoic recordings and the adaptive model approach.



    What do you think?



    As to modifications to the existent Stradivari and Gofriller, I'm afraid I cannot help much. The samples belong to Garritan, hence I cannot modify, nor sell these instruments.



    Best,



    Giorgio
  • edited 11:32AM
    Ok, thanks a lot for these explanations.



    I must now wait for your new solo strings series, I found these days some Stradivari and Gofriller in a few online shops, but I prefer wait for a new better product than buy a sadly discontinued one.



    Talking about technology, I really am fond of modeling techniques and I hope you the best that way.



    Best regards.



    Manstud.
  • edited 11:32AM
    Actually it is a bit of a pity that Gofriller and the Strad have been discontinued, but looking at your trumpet technology I´m sure you can do much better with your next attempt for string instruments. Although Gofriller and Strad have been reasonably good there was much room for improvement left.



    I would love to buy a violin, viola and cello developed by you. I´m sure there is a big market for these instruments as it is incredibly difficult to produce intimate string sections like quartetts with samples.

    The big Hollywood strings are much easier and I´m not sure if there is currently really a need for your technology in this territory. Go for another solo strings :lol:
  • edited 11:32AM
    Giorgio Tommasini wrote:
    Yes, the technology behind the Stradivari and the Gofriller entirely belongs to myself and Stefano Lucato. We might consider creating a new samplemodeled solo strings series, perhaps extended to middle east and far east instruments, using anechoic recordings and the adaptive model approach.



    What do you think?

    Yeah, that'd be pretty nice.


    Giorgio Tommasini wrote:
    As to modifications to the existent Stradivari and Gofriller, I'm afraid I cannot help much. The samples belong to Garritan, hence I cannot modify, nor sell these instruments.

    Would a new .nki (or access to the original .nki that didn't lock the Strad) be okay? What I want is to be able to play trillo with the Strad just as it's done with the Gofriller with retriggering. It is much easier and more natural on the Gofriller.



    As far as I know, sharing .nki files is not a problem because they do not contain the samples. Perhaps the scripting incorporated is a problem, but that seems to belong to you anyway.
  • edited 11:32AM
    I own the Strad and Gofriller and enjoy them as they are, but would like to see some improvements similar to what you have put in the Trumpet. The velocity curve is especially a problem with the Strad; the calibration feature you have in the Trumpet would fix that right up.



    J.
  • edited 11:32AM
    Giorgio Tommasini wrote:
    Yes, the technology behind the Stradivari and the Gofriller entirely belongs to myself and Stefano Lucato. We might consider creating a new samplemodeled solo strings series, perhaps extended to middle east and far east instruments, using anechoic recordings and the adaptive model approach.



    What do you think?







    Giorgio

    In my opinion the Strad and Gof although being functional doesn't sound too real or musical at least not like your Trumpet does.



    What you and Peter have achieved with this Trumpet is amazing and it would be a dream to have samplemodeled solo strings, both classical and ethnic.



    So I'm really looking forward to your future developments.
  • edited 11:32AM
    I also would love to see strings.

    I do not know if the sampling needs to be done in a special way in oider to apply your technology. Otherwise: I quite like the sound of advanced orchestra - so maybe a reissue ;-)



    middle and far east strings would be most welcome, too!
  • edited 11:32AM
    I'd be in for the middle eastern strings, but I'm not sure you're thinking big enough. Imagine an orchestra where all the solo instruments were as thouroughly playable as the trumpet - is the technology successful with sections too, then why not sections? If you expanded your team, and farmed out the routine jobs, such as the actual acquisition of the samples, you could hit the market quickly with the 'sample-modelled orchestra.' It needs to be quick, because projects that are drawn out inevitably get superceded before they're finished. And if there were a whole orchestra all in one go, especially at the kind of prices you're managing, I feel most people would instantly see it as the orchestra, and plump for the whole thing. Whereas, if you keep offering one instrument in a blue moon, and with a somewhat random vision, then customers will just see them as nice add-ons, but not essential.



    When the Strad and Gofriller hit, there were many of us hoping that this was Gary's plan, but the whole thing ground to a frustrating halt. Then we hoped the Westgate Modular series might be it, but that stalled too. And while those instruments are nice, because they're just isolated instruments, and I have a limited budget, they have to come last in in my priorities, behind collecting the parts of the VSL, which I already know is a complete solution.



    If you hit the market with a whole orchestra, or even declared a complete plan, and released it a bit at a time, I'd be ready to switch from VSL. The sample-morphing really does make the world your oyster.



    Just my two cents
  • edited 11:32AM
    Pingu wrote: I'd be in for the middle eastern strings, but I'm not sure you're thinking big enough. Imagine an orchestra where all the solo instruments were as thouroughly playable as the trumpet - is the technology successful with sections too, then why not sections? If you expanded your team, and farmed out the routine jobs, such as the actual acquisition of the samples, you could hit the market quickly with the 'sample-modelled orchestra.' It needs to be quick, because projects that are drawn out inevitably get superceded before they're finished. And if there were a whole orchestra all in one go, especially at the kind of prices you're managing, I feel most people would instantly see it as the orchestra, and plump for the whole thing. Whereas, if you keep offering one instrument in a blue moon, and with a somewhat random vision, then customers will just see them as nice add-ons, but not essential.



    When the Strad and Gofriller hit, there were many of us hoping that this was Gary's plan, but the whole thing ground to a frustrating halt. Then we hoped the Westgate Modular series might be it, but that stalled too. And while those instruments are nice, because they're just isolated instruments, and I have a limited budget, they have to come last in in my priorities, behind collecting the parts of the VSL, which I already know is a complete solution.



    If you hit the market with a whole orchestra, or even declared a complete plan, and released it a bit at a time, I'd be ready to switch from VSL. The sample-morphing really does make the world your oyster.



    Just my two cents

    Hi Pingu,



    Not sure if I understood you correctly but Samplemodeling's The Trumpet features 7 different trumpets which enables you to build your own sections.
  • edited 11:32AM
    Niah wrote:
    Hi Pingu,



    Not sure if I understood you correctly but Samplemodeling's The Trumpet features 7 different trumpets which enables you to build your own sections.

    Oh I realise that, but I was talking more about strings. Whilst it would be nice to be totally purist, and build sections of 20 individual violins, I think there is always going to have to be a compromise in that area to enable any kind of workflow (I know there is already a product that claims to automatically route string parts to 40+ individual sampled instruments, but first reports seem to be that it sounds awful). If the sample-morphing approach could allow a violin section to be as light on its feet as the Strad, then I'd be a happy camper.



    Also I'm not entirely convinced by the concept of section building. There is still something about the sound of three instruments actually playing together that you don't get by playing three separate sampled instruments. Obviously there is a time when section building is massively preferable - if there are going to be extended passages of divisi playing - but when you want three trombones to nail the audience to the wall with a single note, then there's nothing to beat three players actually playing together and listening to their overall sound.
  • edited 11:32AM
    I would love to see you do Solo Strings since I really don't like the tone of the strad and gofriller.



    Horns would also be great if your doing more brass.



    Saxes are properbly the instruments I'm the least interested in :)
  • edited 11:32AM
    But sax is a very great challenge : who has already heard a good and natural-sounding sax that was coming from any digital instrument, software or hardware, sample-based or virtually modeled ? Who ?...
  • edited 11:32AM
    That's what we all said about trumpets. ;) ;)
  • edited 11:32AM
    FireGS wrote: That's what we all said about trumpets. ;) ;)

    hehehe exactly
  • edited 11:32AM
    Yes please bring out a new series of stringed instruments ASAP and start with a "Viola". I have both of the Garritan instruments and like them very much. However, not having a proper Viola to complement them makes it difficult to do full string ensemble work except for the romantic period piano trios.

    I like westgate's libraries and have several too, but this technology is obviously superior in many respects. How about some trombones & horns too, or perhaps, the holy grail; a saxophone?
  • edited 11:32AM
    An Erhu would be great. Or the darker chineese "cello" - can't recall it's name.
  • edited 11:32AM
    yes please, an EHRU or a MATOUQIN would be lovely--if anyone could do it, I believe you guys could!
  • edited 11:32AM
    Putting in my vote for developing a new solo string series.



    Violin first.



    Maybe you guys should hire more people to expedite the process?



    This technology is working and it hurts to think that we'll have to wait so long between the releases of a new instruments.
  • edited 11:32AM
    Pingu wrote: Niah wrote:
    Hi Pingu,



    Not sure if I understood you correctly but Samplemodeling's The Trumpet features 7 different trumpets which enables you to build your own sections.

    Oh I realise that, but I was talking more about strings. Whilst it would be nice to be totally purist, and build sections of 20 individual violins, I think there is always going to have to be a compromise in that area to enable any kind of workflow (I know there is already a product that claims to automatically route string parts to 40+ individual sampled instruments, but first reports seem to be that it sounds awful). If the sample-morphing approach could allow a violin section to be as light on its feet as the Strad, then I'd be a happy camper.



    Also I'm not entirely convinced by the concept of section building. There is still something about the sound of three instruments actually playing together that you don't get by playing three separate sampled instruments. Obviously there is a time when section building is massively preferable - if there are going to be extended passages of divisi playing - but when you want three trombones to nail the audience to the wall with a single note, then there's nothing to beat three players actually playing together and listening to their overall sound.

    Agreed.



    Nevertheless I don't think this technology works with ensembles otherwise they would have recorded a complete trumpet section and not 3 different trumpets. But I don't know I'm just guessing.



    With that said I think you can accomplish great results with outstanding musical virtual instruments like the samplemodeled trumpet and with the sampled ensembles which we already have from other sample collections.



    What I'm going with this is, have you ever tried to record a real violin and then layer it with a sampled string ensemble? The result can be quite remarkable and if mixed well it sounds like a lively cohesive string ensemble.

    Even with today's solo sampled strings, which are far from satisfatory, you can achieve better results than just playing with your sampled ensemble strings. A solo instrument will always add more depth and definition to the an ensemble.



    So there's not doubt in my mind that if giorgio and peter create a samplemodeled solo strings as good as the trumpet that we can achieve great results, not just on an individual level but also to bring live to our ensembles.



    This post however is not to contest your request but just to present a work around to the current situation.

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