LIVE: Will it Run On Mac Laptop Soundcard?

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• germancomponist

  September 2008 edited 7:29PM

  I think that should not be a problem.
  
  
  
  Cool, perhaps you can play a trumpet solo on stage with this virtual instrument, and all the visiters are looking arround and are searching the real trumpet-player?!
• David

  September 2008 edited 7:29PM

  thanks,
  
  
  
  Cool is right! You have no idea the problems this would solve.
  
  
  
  But I thought I read in a review (some mac site) that The Trumpet "demanded" a 24 bit external sound card.
• germancomponist

  September 2008 edited 7:29PM

  Oops, I think this was a wrong information.... . :roll:
• David

  September 2008 edited 7:29PM

  Just to be clear......(cause my credit card is red hot and ready to buy!)....
  
  
  
  ....Do you mean your reply was wrong......or the review was wrong?.....i.e. no external card required?
• germancomponist

  September 2008 edited 7:29PM

  So far as I know it is only your daw, what u use, what needs perhaps another soundcard.
  
  
  
  But never "the trumpet" library. If you can work with other newer libs in Kontakt on your computer, then you can also work with "the trumpet".
  
  
  
  But this is only my opinion.... .
• David

  September 2008 edited 7:29PM

  Thanks alot G.
  
  Your opinion is now worth 240 USD.
  
  
  
  
  
  For anyone else reading this.....
  
  
  
  Found the review here:
  
  http://www.cakewalknet.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=720&Itemid=2
  
  
  
  Quote: "It is important that the system used to run The Trumpet have a 24-bit audio card with low (less than 7 ms) latency."
• Peter Siedlaczek

  September 2008 edited 7:29PM

  Dear David,
  
  
  
  the quality and the performance of the audio hardware is essential for the proper functioning of the software. We are trying to check your configuration at the moment and will let you know ASAP.
  
  
  
  Best
  
  
  
  Peter
• David

  September 2008 edited 7:29PM

  Thanks for your help Peter,
  
  I really do appreciate it.
  
  
  
  David
• germancomponist

  September 2008 edited 7:29PM

  Oops, there was a missunderstanding... . I thought that the Intel macbook pro 2.2 is on a high level and sure has a good audiointerface on board.
  
  
  
  What I not understand is why to use a 24bit interface?
• Phil999

  October 2008 edited 7:29PM

  it's a question of ASIO compatibility. You need an external sound-card to meet the ASIO standard that will enable you to play with low latency. Not only for The Trumpet, but for every VSTi. Internal soundcards will always have a latency of 500ms or more, which is unusable for live playing.
  
  
  
  I installed The Trumpet on a Acer Aspire One, a tiny laptop, using a U2A external USB-audio-card. When I set the U2A-driver to 7ms latency, I get dropouts. When I set it to 11ms latency, I get occasional dropouts, and the latency is audible. Only with 15ms latency, The Trumpet plays fine (but with a disturbing latency).
  
  
  
  Another important factor is the CPU. Kontakt2 can use more than one CPU if you have a multi-core laptop (unfortunately, the dual-core Atom CPU from the Aspire One is not recognized by Kontakt2).
  
  
  
  So for laptop live performance, you need an ASIO-interface and a multicore CPU that Kontakt2 can recognize.
• burningbusch

  November 2008 edited 7:29PM

  I am using The Trumpet live on a Macbook 2.4Ghz with 250GB hard drive and 4GB RAM. I use Ableton Live as my host and a TC Electronic Konnekt 24 as my interface. I run The Trumpet along with a bunch of other soft synths and everything works extremely well. I am able to set the buffer in Live to 128. I use a breath controller for The Trumpet and other wind synth emulations. I use The Trumpet with Kontakt 2 (rather than the Kontakt Player) because it allows me to set up standard trumpet and muted trumpet as two different instruments and I can use program change to switch between them.
  
  
  
  Busch.
• David

  November 2008 edited 7:29PM

  I should apologize for starting this thread and not following up:
  
  
  
  I bought it and love it. What a fantastic and useful instrument.
  
  
  
  I tested The Trumpet a great deal before using it live and it was great. As a player I was floored.
  
  But only this week did I finally get to use it in a show.
  
  
  
  Here are my 'Live' specs.
  
  Note:I was using the internal soundcard on stage, no interface.
  
  
  
  -MacbookPro Intel core 2 duo 2.2ghz/2GB/160GB
  
  -OS: 10.5
  
  -LogicPro 8.1
  
  -Logic Buffer settings tested (256, 512)
  
  
  
  Studio Testing:
  
  
  
  -I had initially tested it for basic "live" use, playing only one
  
  instrument at a time in a rack of about 15 loaded instruments. This was
  
  fine.
  
  
  
  -I then loaded The Trumpet into an orchestral template performing a
  
  tutti with brass and piccollo rips, full strings, winds and timpany. NO
  
  problem.
  
  
  
  So I loaded a second Trumpet (#2) and that was OK as well.
  
  
  
  -I then loaded a jazz template with three Trumpets in one instance of
  
  the K2 player, BFD drums, bass and 3 brass instances from Quantum Leap (each
  
  using legato and vibrato scripts). I was even able to load an instance
  
  of space designer reverb and a channel EQ.
  
  
  
  -I finally loaded The Trumpet in my full Logic Stage Template (no, not Mainstage).
  
  This includes about 15 instruments on 15 tracks, which I play one at a time.
  
  
  
  In each case The Trumpet performed flawlessly.
  
  
  
  
  
  On Stage:
  
  
  
  This was a show with brass and I did not tell anyone I was going to use this new instrument. So the best thing I can report is that the trumpet player (an excellent player and very good leader of his own big band) walked across the stage during sound check to come and see me. He was not happy at all. He was shocked at the quality and said it was impressive, but then he got very negative about how "it's not right that you can do that", and made some comment about losing work.
  
  This is significant because that conversation always goes more like:"that doesn't sound real because of x,y,z....I hate when keyboard players try to do brass.....keyboard players sound cheezy" etc....
  
  
  
  In my experience with real players, one tiny flaw spoils the illusion. But in this case the reaction was shock and upset.
  
  
  
  
  
  Also, I must say, Peter's support was nothing short of spectacular. In 25 years of buying keyboards and gear, this has been
  
  the most enjoyable experience I've had deciding on a purchase.What a great buying experience.
• Phil999

  January 2009 edited 7:29PM

  thank you for your report, David. It is really impressive what you can do with a laptop. I find it interesting especially live, when the audience can see that there is someone playing a keyboard, but out comes the sound of a trumpet or sax. The same when they see someone blowing into a metal or plastic thing.
  
  
  
  I have also good news to report. I installed the sax on the netbook I described in the above post of mine. And it works without glitches or dropouts, with enough low latency. The sax needs really less resources than the trumpet. So my wish came true, I can now go mobile with my EWI and netbook.
• Firebird

  January 2009 edited 7:29PM

  David wrote: I want to buy THE TRUMPET to use in a live situation.
  
  
  
  Will it run on an intel macbook pro 2.2 using only the internal sound card?
  
  
  
  
  
  Thanks,
  
  D
  
  I use a macbook pro 2.5. Using the internal soundcard with The Trumpet, is only possible for me at 12ms, which is not good at all.
• Phil999

  January 2009 edited 7:29PM

  to decrease latency with internal sound cards, there is a software called ASIO4ALL. I don't know if it's for Windows only, maybe there are some other ASIO emulators.
  
  
  
  I don't know Mac, but I think it is absolutely necessary to use an external sound card for live performance with low latencies. It gives also the advantage of symmetric analog outputs and S/PDIF in/out (depending on the model), which eliminated audio connection problems.