All the brass in this recording are Sample Modeling instruments. The string runs at the very end are Orchestral String Runs. Everything else is Vienna Instruments.
your two other demos are good, but - sorry to be harsh - this one is an epic failed
Thanks for listening, Sam. I must say, it gave me quite a laugh when I played that sound-card-dump video you posted! Very funny
Point taken. I definitely should have used keyswitches and controllers (like for that muted trumpet :oops: ). I also should have tried to balance the parts, shape the phrases, place the instruments in virtual space, and adjust their articulations, too.
BTW, your comment makes it sound almost as if you had listened to it on an iPad speaker or something. I'm sort of curious how you got mine to sound more like the sound card video version :?: :?:
Well, I would be happy to hear any useful suggestions or specific criticisms (like "the brass notes should be shorter" etc.), if you have any and if you would be so inclined.
I used trumpet one, two and three, trombone 1 and 2 and bass trombone, four horns and one tuba.
But, no I did not double the first part as is done in some recordings. I went by what was indicated in the score, or so I thought ... Turns out I missed a few of the "a 2" indications!
I'm not listening to a recording and trying to copy it. Still, though, after hearing your video it does sound more Vader-esque to double those guys. I'll give it a try!
Fauxharmonic wrote:
I'm not listening to a recording
That's the point !
even if you are a good musican or conductor, even if you are used to orchestral music, you need a guidance to understand how works these instruments. By listening carefully a real performance you will understand how to handle the virtual instrument (attack, release, CC11 curve...) to get exactly what you want.
Listening and reproducing a real performance is the best teacher.
and if you jump without a net on something so iconic as Star Wars music :ugeek: , you can't survive !
Sam wrote:
Fauxharmonic wrote:
I'm not listening to a recording
That's the point !
even if you are a good musican or conductor, even if you are used to orchestral music, you need a guidance to understand how works these instruments. By listening carefully a real performance you will understand how to handle the virtual instrument (attack, release, CC11 curve...) to get exactly what you want.
Listening and reproducing a real performance is the best teacher.
and if you jump without a net on something so iconic as Star Wars music :ugeek: , you can't survive !
Cheers !
Oh, yes, I agree with that ... I meant, however, that I listen to a REAL, real orchestra, instead of a recording of a real orchestra. Last week, for example, I heard the Boston Symphony play Raiders March in Symphony Hall. Going to concerts is the best teacher, IMO.
And then, conducting the actual orchestra in this music, rehearsing with real brass, players, etc. also is an invaluable way to learn how the instruments work and sound (as well as playing in orchestras), all of which I do.
Now, these VIs, of course, are not brass instruments, and so it takes some other efforts to coax them to play as one imagines they should sound. I actually had much better results with the Vienna Instruments brass, initially, but I was so intrigued by the types of control offered by these SM instruments that I really wanted to try this iconic music to "kick the tires."
But I guess I'm just making excuses for having made such a crappy demo the first time around! Thanks to your encouragement and suggestions, I've had to meet a higher standard (or at least try to). You are very good at "playing" these virtual instruments!
So, yes, I think we're in agreement. Experience is the best teacher, but having an actual teacher is great, too! Given all the great preparation at my disposal, I really should be producing the most stunning recordings imaginable, but I guess I still need to work harder!
I'm sorry for resurrecting an old, but damn I loved this discussion!
Sam, do you have a lot of unlisted videos on your SampleControl YouTube channel? I would love it if they were all accessible, I find the videos incredibly helpful but there are just so few of them!
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your two other demos are good, but - sorry to be harsh - this one is an epic failed
your version is closer to the midi directly played by a soundcard :
than the original :
it sounds almost as if you had just loaded midi file without working seriously each part.
are you using keyswitch and controllers ?
sorry again to be a little harsh
your two other demos are good, but - sorry to be harsh - this one is an epic failed
Thanks for listening, Sam. I must say, it gave me quite a laugh when I played that sound-card-dump video you posted! Very funny
Point taken. I definitely should have used keyswitches and controllers (like for that muted trumpet :oops: ). I also should have tried to balance the parts, shape the phrases, place the instruments in virtual space, and adjust their articulations, too.
BTW, your comment makes it sound almost as if you had listened to it on an iPad speaker or something. I'm sort of curious how you got mine to sound more like the sound card video version :?: :?:
Well, I would be happy to hear any useful suggestions or specific criticisms (like "the brass notes should be shorter" etc.), if you have any and if you would be so inclined.
I'm sort of curious how you got mine to sound more like the sound card video version :?: :?:
it was a joke
Hope this help :
(PS : I often hear this 3 mistakes in many orchestral demos - that's why I call it : "common mistakes")
Here's a new version with shorter notes, lower overall brass CC11 levels, and myriad CC1 and CC11 shapings, coupled with more velocity variety:
Imperial March
(Revised 3/23/2012)
you need at least 3 trumpets, 3 trombones (+ bass trombone) and 4 horns
You should use the unison horns multi :
But, no I did not double the first part as is done in some recordings. I went by what was indicated in the score, or so I thought ... Turns out I missed a few of the "a 2" indications!
I'm not listening to a recording and trying to copy it. Still, though, after hearing your video it does sound more Vader-esque to double those guys. I'll give it a try!
That's the point !
even if you are a good musican or conductor, even if you are used to orchestral music, you need a guidance to understand how works these instruments. By listening carefully a real performance you will understand how to handle the virtual instrument (attack, release, CC11 curve...) to get exactly what you want.
Listening and reproducing a real performance is the best teacher.
and if you jump without a net on something so iconic as Star Wars music :ugeek: , you can't survive !
Cheers !
That's the point !
even if you are a good musican or conductor, even if you are used to orchestral music, you need a guidance to understand how works these instruments. By listening carefully a real performance you will understand how to handle the virtual instrument (attack, release, CC11 curve...) to get exactly what you want.
Listening and reproducing a real performance is the best teacher.
and if you jump without a net on something so iconic as Star Wars music :ugeek: , you can't survive !
Cheers !
Oh, yes, I agree with that ... I meant, however, that I listen to a REAL, real orchestra, instead of a recording of a real orchestra. Last week, for example, I heard the Boston Symphony play Raiders March in Symphony Hall. Going to concerts is the best teacher, IMO.
And then, conducting the actual orchestra in this music, rehearsing with real brass, players, etc. also is an invaluable way to learn how the instruments work and sound (as well as playing in orchestras), all of which I do.
Now, these VIs, of course, are not brass instruments, and so it takes some other efforts to coax them to play as one imagines they should sound. I actually had much better results with the Vienna Instruments brass, initially, but I was so intrigued by the types of control offered by these SM instruments that I really wanted to try this iconic music to "kick the tires."
But I guess I'm just making excuses for having made such a crappy demo the first time around! Thanks to your encouragement and suggestions, I've had to meet a higher standard (or at least try to). You are very good at "playing" these virtual instruments!
So, yes, I think we're in agreement. Experience is the best teacher, but having an actual teacher is great, too! Given all the great preparation at my disposal, I really should be producing the most stunning recordings imaginable, but I guess I still need to work harder!
Sam, do you have a lot of unlisted videos on your SampleControl YouTube channel? I would love it if they were all accessible, I find the videos incredibly helpful but there are just so few of them!