Gliss / expr automation
Hi.
The C#1 key to toggle between glissando & expr doesn't behave in a convenient way... When one press C#1 key, if gliss was selected, it becomes expr - and when expr was selected, it becomes gliss. :roll:
Ok. The problem happens when one record a midi track : if you want just a part to be with gliss selected and the rest with expr, how can one do ?
If you put a C#1 at the begining of the part, it will be played correctly one's on two play : first time, the C#1 key switch to expr at the beginning of the part you wanted gliss and when you play the midi track again, the C#1 key switch to gliss again... :?
How can one be sure the midi track will be played the way you wish ? It would be better if, for instance, the C#1 key switch to gliss if its velocity is between 0->63 and expr if its velocity is between 64->127.
In this way, one would be sure to switch to the right expr/gliss position.
Or maybe, there is already a way to be sure to switch on the right expr/gliss position ? If this way exist already, please, tell it me to me !
Thank you for your attention...
The C#1 key to toggle between glissando & expr doesn't behave in a convenient way... When one press C#1 key, if gliss was selected, it becomes expr - and when expr was selected, it becomes gliss. :roll:
Ok. The problem happens when one record a midi track : if you want just a part to be with gliss selected and the rest with expr, how can one do ?
If you put a C#1 at the begining of the part, it will be played correctly one's on two play : first time, the C#1 key switch to expr at the beginning of the part you wanted gliss and when you play the midi track again, the C#1 key switch to gliss again... :?
How can one be sure the midi track will be played the way you wish ? It would be better if, for instance, the C#1 key switch to gliss if its velocity is between 0->63 and expr if its velocity is between 64->127.
In this way, one would be sure to switch to the right expr/gliss position.
Or maybe, there is already a way to be sure to switch on the right expr/gliss position ? If this way exist already, please, tell it me to me !
Thank you for your attention...
Comments
That is why for a toggle key used with the Flutes (D#->Toggle Overblow) I did a little Reaper JSFX that makes the Toggle key an
"Overblow on" key, by preceding it with the happily existing "Overblow off" key. So I now have dedicated keys for on and off <g>.
I seem to remember that Overblow also can be switched in and off by a CC. Maybe this is possible with "Gliss" of the Cello switch as well.
(With Reaper JSFX scripts you can rather easily do lots of very useful Midi functionality additions to versatile live playable instruments.
-Michael
Sorry...
Oh yeah ? Really gliss/expr may be controlate by CC ? I don't know which one, then. I don't find the info in the manual.. I just find gliss/expr can be controlate by the C#1 keyswitch and it's a pity !
I don't use Reaper, I use Cubase. I tried Reaper for 2 months but after 18 years with Cubase, it's very hard to change...
But to have some simple script feature in order to build some midi function seems really interesting ! I use a lot of midi plugins. Would that JSFX scripts work in Cubase ? Since I tried Reaper, I downloaded all midi plugins I found around Reaper and installed them in Cubase ! Why not that one ? What is it exactly ? Midi plugin or Reaper specific feature ?
In fact it might be possible to use homebrew JSFX scripts in CuBase. There is a program that compiles (at least most) JSFX script to (Windows-) VST plugins. I feel that same is mainly done to convert audio functions, but supposedly Midi is supported as well.
-Michael
But if you know how to create midi plugins, I'm looking for one that would add 'lag' between two CC value. It would add somme CC event when the value is at, let's say 12 and a new value is received, like 82 : it would add somme cc events just after receiving the 82 value to have a ramp (more precisely a stair) instead of a big straight step. In other words : going progressively from 12 to 82 by adding some values between. Or it can be called 'interpolation' too...
The lag time would be adjustable, of course ! :?
Do you know a midi plugin that does that ?
I never found a such one and I feel like it's weird : That would be so useful !
Thanks, Mr Schnell.
In the Bowed Strings we have implemented different logic for the keyswitches (velocity vs trigger count), also all keyswitch parameters are assignable to MIDI CCs.
We will probably update the woodwinds to this logic too, but there are many customers who already recorded lot of projects with the current logic. Retro-compatibility is always an issue...
We will add the MIDI CC assignment to the legato/portamento mode (Gliss vs Expr) for sure.
Best,
Emanuele
SWAM team
In fact I once did a script with such a functionality: very low velocity in the deepest octave resulting in setting a transpose key. I found that I was not able to control that beast reliably :oops: .
JoPo wrote: But if you know how to create midi plugins, ...
I did quite a lot of those: The most complex I did as a Thankyou for KobiR (whom I met here in this forum) who once recommended Reaper to me. You can find the description here: -> http://www.bschnell.de/patch.pdf .
But all these of course are Reaper "JSX" plugins for live playing.
Timed events can be done with those plugins but using them in CuBase I never tried.
-Michael (who never felt like touching any other DAW since fining Reaper, and of course no other brand virtual instrument, if an appropriate one is available by Sample Modeling....)
Maybe you know some website where I could find some midi plugins ? I've been searching everywhere without any success...
Nevertheless, my midi plugin need is simple and veryuseful ! I don't understand why nobody made it yet ! :?: :!:
PS : It seems you like horses !
--> Leleswam --> I'm impatient ! Toggling with one keyswitch can't work correctly when playing a midi track... Or just one play on 2 !
There are not many. That is one of the causes I decided to go with Reaper: here I can easily do my own Midi plugins as scripts. In Reaper it does not matter if a plugin is a VST (or DX) or a script. All can used in chains, in parallel, etc and all plugin parameters can be "remote" controlled by versatile configurable "Actions" ... Just great !
You can find lots of expertise on JSFX scripts here -> http://forum.cockos.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3 .
JoPo wrote: PS : It seems you like horses !
Yep Two very time consuming hobbies: the horses (see http://www.bschnell.de -> "Fotografie->Jungs vom Deich") and making music with my band (I found you already took a look at http://www.boa-sorte.de ).
JoPo wrote: Toggling with one keyswitch can't work correctly when playing a midi track
Does the "preceding by dedicated keyswitch" trick not work here ?
-Michael
https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=148&t=300566&start=45
I didn't know I already have the right midi plugin ! Midiconverter3 from PIZ ! And it works perfectly in Cubase !
I believe I was searching since 2 or 3 years !
Stupendo ! 8-)
The glissando/expr with C#1 behavior has not been changed with the 2.6.1 sax update ! Really a pity !
And another pity : the release fader is still not mappable to a midi cc... And don't even respond to automation... Pity pity pity !
But this version has a lot of other improvement ! Excellent !
Maybe for one of next update ?
Ah yes ! Another pity ! :? Sorry... Again ...
I don't receive any newsletter that tells me a new update is being released.... So I guess I'm late to update !
Such problem seems to have been recently discussed intensively in the Reaper forum (in several threads in several sub-forums). As I never did Midi recording (or "orchestral work" aka Midi composing) myself yet, I initially did not understand part of the meaningfullness of certain contributions and even talked some nonsense in the discussions.
Seemingly the keywords mostly attributed to such problems when generating a midi-stream from stored information are "Midi Chasing" and "Articulation Maps".
It looks like that in this area Cubase offers more advanced features/behavior than Reaper. But with the most recent updates, Reaper seems to feature helpful additions:
-> http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=185304
-Michael
we are sorry about the delay... we have worked hardly on the Violin and lastly on the upcoming Viola and Cello updates.
We have made any effort to release an update of the Woodwinds before the NAMM Show, but it will probably be released later. Stay tuned!
Best Regards,
Emanuele
SWAM - Audio Modeling
Gracie mille, Emanuele !
A C#1 1-->63 velocity = gliss and 64->127 = expr would be absolutely perfect !
I tried reaper, a year ago but I don't feel comfortable with it. I'm going to try Studio One because I'm fed up with cubase empty expensive update. The cubase 9 is totally unstable and I spend 100€ for that !
I don't want to give anymore money to Steinberg.
But to Sample Modeling, yes ! Why not some bass ? An upright and a fretless ? There is no very good upright & fretless bass on the market !
Cheers !
Please let me know when I can be of any help.
Reaper is extremely configurable and hence "feeling comfortable" might be a question of doing the appropriate configuration before using it a a certain way.
There is forum full of a very helpful people.
There are (always astonishingly stable and compatible !!!) upgrades providing fixes, new features and "comfortibility improvements" in short intervals.
There are lots of add-ons that add features that might come handy in many situations.
There is a very good documentation (for the main product, not that much the add-ons.)
And finally you only need to pay for it (just some $60) if you really want to use it on the long run.
Recently I saw a lout users of other DAWs convert to Reaper.
-Michael
I know reaper is fully settable and customizable. And with a really fair price. That's what allowed me to try it since 2 months. But I don't find any right words to explain why I didn't feel fine by using it.
Maybe because I'm a cubase user since 19 years ! But really, I'm fed up with their price policy.
Something that I missed in reaper a lot is variaudio : same concept as melodyne and when I saw that melodyne is integrated to studio one, I wished to know more. I know also ancient cubase users who are now working with studio one and they are telling me they never will go back with cubase.
Is there a melodyne like feature in reaper, now ?
I'll miss the midi processor 'transformer' from cubase too ! But I'm sure some other function will do the same in studio one.
The problem is to try studio one : is the demo fully usable ? If I can't save the project file, it will be impossible to try !
On is a certain set of functionality usable for Midi composing ("Orchestra work") including "Midi chasing" / "Articulation maps". I do know that Cocos is working on adding this but it might take some more weeks until released. They already did add a Score editor recently.
The other is an ARA interface to enable a more tight integration of Melodyne. This has been requested very often in the forums and I do suppose Cockos will (need to) add ARA some day soon, but there is no official announcement yet. Maybe they consider to do their own "varaudio" functionality instead, as the current "ReaTune" supposedly is not good enough for most (acceptable sound but not very user friendly). Who knows...
If you think you need one or both of these feature, you might be better off staying with Cubase for a while.
"Midi transformer" should be not problem with Reaper. There are lots of Midi "filter" plugins, and I did those I needed using JSFX scripts myself in exactly the way I needed them.
-Michael
I've had ram issue, in fact. It was not cubase 9 but my DDR3 that have been damaged at the exact same time I installed the new cubase !
Yes : midi plugins in reaper are excellent. And I use all midi fx I find.
For Melodyne implementation in Reaper, as soon as there will be something comparable, Reaper will be again interesting for me... Because of its price and its customizable features. With something like varyaudio or melodyne, it would be the best quality/price daw on the market !
AFAIU (I don't have Melodyne), the lack of ARA introduces the need to do a "read-in" action before using the plugin, and if you move an item in the time-scale you loose the editing done with Melodyne.
BTW.: the new Reaper version 5.32 features "spectral peaks". Looks absolutely great, but I'm not sure that it actually can improve my workflow.
-Michael
And this is the little problem : I prefer so much to use cubase variaudio that allows to work on a simple sample editor.
The Melodyne integration in studio one allows to use it in that comfortable way.
I'm sure Reaper developers are going to release a similar feature.
I must first finish a cubase project, then the next one will be done with studio one demo, I'll have one month for trying it !
Danke sehr for all those very useful info, herr Schnell !
-Michael