The Trumpet 2.01a sounds quite different

Comments

• Giorgio Tommasini

  February 2009 edited 10:50AM

  Boogieman,
  
  
  
  would you mind sending us the midi file (not the Logic file) for checking?
  
  
  
  Thanks,
  
  
  
  Giorgio
• valouz

  February 2009 edited 10:50AM

  Indeed, it sounds different but i would not say it's less good. The only difference i heard is the vibrato release that is more "heavy".
• Giorgio Tommasini

  February 2009 edited 10:50AM

  First of all, did you check that CC24 was identically set on both instruments ? CC24 controls the dynamics-to-pitch response, and might be responsible for the different behaviour.
  
  
  
  Giorgio
• boogieman

  February 2009 edited 10:50AM

  Hello,
  
  
  
  Giorgio, I´m enclosing the midi files. Thanks for checking up on this!
  
  
  
  Valère, I agree with you on the vibrato, but besides from that, I hear a fairly big difference in the attack, best heard on the last two notes of the phrase, the "da-dap". The attack seems to me to be a lot tighter in the 2.01 version.
  
  
  
  Regards, boogieman.
• boogieman

  February 2009 edited 10:50AM

  Hi Giorgio,
  
  just saw your 2nd reply. I´ll check this, all I did was close the 2.01 Trumpet in the Kontakt Player and load up the new one. Could that have affected CC24?
  
  boogieman.
• boogieman

  February 2009 edited 10:50AM

  Hello again,
  
  just checked: the CC24 setting was 63 in both cases.
  
  boogieman.
• Peter Siedlaczek

  February 2009 edited 10:50AM

  Boogieman,
  
  
  
  thank you for the helpful examples. Unfortunately you didn´t mention in which mode (with which controller) did you perform the MIDI file. Looking at your data I assume it was a Wind Controller, wasn´t it?
  
  
  
  You seem to have jumped to hurried conclusions, publicly giving the impression that version 2.01a is actually worse than the previous 2.01.
  
  
  
  I had a closer look at the problem you reported, namely differences in attacks and legato.
  
  
  
  1. The improvement I´ve mentioned refers to the legato quality only (the transitions between the notes) if played on some wind controllers. The difference is obvious only for those users, whose wind controllers do not yield note overlap.
  
  
  
  2. Your examples do not exhibit any differences in legato notes.
  
  
  
  3. There are also no differences in the attack behaviour. The only difference (a tiny one) is due to the fact that The Trumpet introduces some random behaviour - exactly as a real player does - so there are never two absolutely identical events. But I´ve compared both versions (2.01 and 2.01a) - the difference is absolutely negligible.
  
  
  
  4. Conversely, as correctly suggested by Valère, there is a huge difference in the pitch vibrato, controlled by the Pitch Sensitivity knob. This is due to an incorrect initialisation (400% instead of 100%) in windcontroller mode (even if the knob still shows 100%).
  
  Please klick once on the Pitch Sensitivity knob - at this moment it MUST apply the right setting.
  
  If this is the case, please STORE the instrument, and the problem will never occur.
  
  
  
  5. After doing the above, please compare the files; they should be practically identical (they ARE
  
  identical on my system).
  
  
  
  BTW: I´ve noticed that you are using a mode in your Wind Controller, which yields a fixed velocity. Please note that this is very disadvantegous, since the velocity controls (also in the Wind Controller Mode) the attack steepness (I mean the initial attacks), which must vary according to player´s intentions; in your example the fixed velocity plays only one and the same type of attack (hard and steep), whereas "relaxed", natural ones are played at velocity about 80 - 90.
  
  
  
  Please let us know if clicking on the Pitch Sens. knob and storing the instrument helps (I`m sure it does... :-)).
  
  
  
  Best
  
  
  
  Peter
• boogieman

  February 2009 edited 10:50AM

  Hi Peter,
  
  Thanks for your quick reply.
  
  
  
  Boogieman,
  
  
  
  thank you for the helpful examples. Unfortunately you didn´t mention in which mode (with which controller) did you perform the MIDI file. Looking at your data I assume it was a Wind Controller, wasn´t it?
  
  -->You´re absolutely right, it was a EWI USB.
  
  
  
  You seem to have jumped to hurried conclusions, publicly giving the impression that version 2.01a is actually worse than the previous 2.01.
  
  -->I did not want to give the impression of "publicly jumping to conclusions". Since i´m new to the EWI as well as the entire concept of virtual instruments, I´m in no position to have conclusions. I merely observed the difference, and posted the question "publicly" on the forum. I assume that´s what the forum is for
  
  
  
  4. Conversely, as correctly suggested by Valère, there is a huge difference in the pitch vibrato, controlled by the Pitch Sensitivity knob. This is due to an incorrect initialisation (400% instead of 100%) in windcontroller mode (even if the knob still shows 100%).
  
  Please klick once on the Pitch Sensitivity knob - at this moment it MUST apply the right setting.
  
  If this is the case, please STORE the instrument, and the problem will never occur.
  
  -->Thank you, that absolutely took care of the issue. It now works like a charm.
  
  
  
  BTW: I´ve noticed that you are using a mode in your Wind Controller, which yields a fixed velocity. Please note that this is very disadvantegous, since the velocity controls (also in the Wind Controller Mode) the attack steepness (I mean the initial attacks), which must vary according to player´s intentions; in your example the fixed velocity plays only one and the same type of attack (hard and steep), whereas "relaxed", natural ones are played at velocity about 80 - 90.
  
  -->I actually am using a dynamic velocity mode (at least that´s what I chose in the Aria interface). The line I submitted was the top voice of a three-part horn section, and I was going for a "top-of-the-lungs", piercing lead sound, hence all maximum velocity and a somewhat shrill vibrato.
  
  
  
  Please let us know if clicking on the Pitch Sens. knob and storing the instrument helps (I`m sure it does... :-)).
  
  -->That took care of it. Thanks for the lightning-quick help. I very much appreciate your great service!
  
  
  
  Best regards, boogieman.